I’ve heard from several authors who have stopped using Goodreads over the years. As Camestros Felapton reports, they may have a point, as Goodreads seems to suffer from a chronic troll problem. Matters reached crisis proportions way back in 2012. But recently, it looks like things have got worse.
Author Patrick S Tomlinson is currently being targetted by a sustained cyberstalking attack on Goodreads. Multiple fake accounts are leaving insulting reviews of a book of his that has not yet been published (not even as an ARC).
The fake accounts have been quite blatantly using fake names and identities, including a fake account pretending to be Otis Chandler, one of the founders of Goodreads:
And a GoodReads stalker made an account with former SFWA President Cat Rambo’s father’s name and picture, taking the latter from the announcement of his death 3 days ago!
A Growing Troll Problem
With little moderation and few tools available for reporting fake accounts or harassment, a coordinated troll attack can be very difficult to stifle even when the reviews are absurdly and blatantly false.
Tomlinson seems to be targeted since he got one of the most hated troll communities on Reddit banned and thousands of their accounts suspended for harassment and copyright infringement a few months ago.
This kind of coordinated pre-emptive spamming of negative reviews isn’t new. The film-rating site Rotten Tomatoes had to take steps last year to curtail a right-wing attack on the as-the-time unreleased Captain Marvel.
Fighting the Trolls
Camestros Felapton makes a number of good suggestions for fighting the trolls.
Preventing reviews of unreleased properties seems like a minimum first step in limiting the capacity of coordinated campaigns to hijack a review site. While it won’t prevent other coordinated attacks on released books, unreleased (but listed) works are more vulnerable as they have no natural reviews being written.
The identity theft aspect of these specific attacks is also a great concern. The overt and blatant aspect of the impersonations makes it unlikely that people would be easily tricked into thinking the accounts are genuine. However, the extent of them and how easily the trolls have generated multiple accounts using real identities, demonstrates that Goodreads is open to more subtle mischief and identity theft.
The existence of a documented online harassment campaign really should be enough for a major website to take added measures. For example, Wikipedia limits the capacity of people to edit pages (particularly biographies of living persons) when there is repeated vandalism or disputed content. A temporary block on reviews on a Goodreads entry would be a wise measure to have available in the event of an alleged spam attack. Notably, a book receiving large numbers of reviews from accounts that are both new and which have made only one review should be an obvious red flag.
Actions that undermine the readers’ ability to trust reviews and which undermine the capacity of authors to identify themselves manifestly undermine the basic aspects of the Goodreads model as a service. This makes the difficulty the site is having dealing with this specific issue surprising. The ease with which a troll campaign can brazenly manipulate the site, strongly implies that a less overt campaign can manipulate ratings or spread disinformation unnoticed.
Goodread’s Reaction
Camestros Felapton contacted a Goodreads spokesperson via email to see if there was an official perspective on the issue:
I was wondering if Goodreads had an official statement about the specific issue. More generally given the existing community guidelines against impersonation, spam and manipulating ratings are there any moves to consider other means of enforcing community standards at Goodreads?
To Goodreads credit, they did offer a response that was courteous and took the email seriously. However, the spokesperson was not able to give a detailed response to the questions:
As a general policy, we don’t comment on specific cases. Also, as I’m sure you can understand why, we don’t provide details about our future plans for our moderation process. We take the integrity of our reviews and the trust of our members very seriously and continue to invest in new tools and processes for our moderation team.
Many people have moved away from Goodreads for various reasons. In the circumstances, that is understandable. However, when you consider the large amount of volunteer labor that users put into collating books, rating books, and reviewing, it is a shame if the site becomes unusable because of coordinated attacks like this.
More broadly, the current situation on Goodreads shows that major websites and services are still slow in developing techniques to deal with these kinds of actions. Sadly, once again, the bad guys are one step ahead of the good ones.
robinleeann said:
I haven’t heard of this problem before. Interesting.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Thank you, Robin 🙂
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beetleypete said:
I never used Goodreads until I got the Fire Tablet, which comes with that installed, and I am unable to uninstall it. I signed up at the suggestion of Amazon, but they bombard me with unwanted emails, so I just delete them, refusing to go to the site on principle. I am not at all surprised to read this, as similar things happen on the main Amazon site, where my own product reviews have been attacked by people giving them ‘unhelpful’ votes in large numbers.
As Amazon owns Goodreads, I would suggest that those affected contact Amazon to complain too.
Best wishes, Pete.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Wow, I wasn’t aware you’d suffered “unhelpful-votes” attacks yourself. I hate it when a bunch of miscreants ruin it for everyone else 😦
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beetleypete said:
With the Vine Programme so competitive, other reviewers take time too vote down my reviews, hoping to lower my ranking as a top reviewer. They presumably think that will boost their own placing, and get them more free stuff. It’s all quite ‘nasty’ at times.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
I had no idea reviewing was such a cut-throat business! Strewth… who needs that kind of hassle!
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beetleypete said:
It’s worth it for all the free stuff. I used to get angry bout it, but I just stopped reading my replies and ratings. 🙂
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Charles Yallowitz said:
Wait. It got worse? I remember it being like the Wild West without a sheriff. Now it sounds like Lord of the Flies mixed with Mad Max. I post my books on there and stay away ever since my own encounter. I really bailed when someone put me on a list of authors who should be killed. Part of the problem is that they see readers as the only source of money and hits, so they don’t do anything that will drive users away. It results in a default of ‘author whining’ that they don’t usually step out of. Plenty of authors do whine about the slightest negative review, but I’d think death threats and total bombardment to destroy a career would be obvious rule breakers. Many trolls don’t even hide that they haven’t read the book and that they’re doing it to hurt the author.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
A list of authors who should be killed?!! That’s insane!! Just what did you do to merit that inclusion?
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Charles Yallowitz said:
I’m still twitchy about saying it out loud. Basically, they really hated Kira Grasdon for possibly sleeping with the jerk in book 3. That’s a book she never appeared in too.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Strewth… Some people have way too much free time in their hands!
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Charles Yallowitz said:
And they take fictional relationships far too seriously. The Luke/Kira/Sari love triangle tragedy brought in a lot of immediate hate and derogatory terms.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Love triangles have been a staple of fiction for millennia. Remember what Ulysses and Nafsika were up to for 9 years while faithful Penelope was busy sewing and tearing, anyone? I now wonder if Homer ever had that problem!
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Charles Yallowitz said:
I think the part that through people off was that it was an open relationship. Kira’s culture allowed multiple partners before marriage, which was a lifelong commitment. Instead of one at a one like our society, you dated people at the same time here. This removed the cheating part of the triangle, so you couldn’t really hate anyone. Yet, Kira was and still is despised.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Amazing… Tells you more about the despisers rather than Kira, of course.
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Charles Yallowitz said:
Yeah. Still, it made a mess and basically drove me off Goodreads.
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Stevie Turner said:
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Interesting blog from Nicholas C. Rossis on Goodreads’ trolls. I think that yes, trolls sadly do seem to visit Goodreads with more frequency than other sites. I have heard of authors being targeted with one-star reviews by groups of trolls, which are very difficult to get taken off their ratings afterwards. I’m still on Goodreads and about 3 or 4 years ago was targeted by a group of trolls who all left one-star reviews for ‘No Sex Please, I’m Menopausal!’ even though some said they hadn’t even read it. I asked for them to be taken off, but … no luck. However, since then thankfully I have been troll-free.
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Priscilla Bettis said:
Oh dear, I’m sorry to hear about GR trolls. Why must people be so mean?
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
I often say that the fight between good and evil is fought minute-by-minute, with countless tiny choices leading up to the big ones…
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Joan Hall said:
I haven’t had a problem yet (fingers crossed) with Goodreads. Probably because I’m not well known. But I have heard of several authors who have. It is a shame with GDPR and the recent California protection act, it is a shame that trolls and stalkers are able to control and manipulate. These people need to get a life! In some ways, I think GDPR made things worse. Since its implementation, we’ve received thousands of more spam comments on Story Empire.
Another useful and informative post, Nicholas.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Interesting how GDPR may have made things worse! Why do you think that might be?
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Joan Hall said:
Not sure. It could be a coincidence but we noticed the number of spam comments went up about that time. It could have been simply because Story Empire is growing and therefore attracts more attention.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
In that case, may you have tons of spam 😀
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The Story Reading Ape said:
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claire plaisted said:
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Personally, I was warned years ago not to use it. I do have two accounts (different pen names) though never really use it. Nothing has changed on the site other than Trolls getting nastier. So far we’ve not had anything like this. Goodreads really needs to up its game before I use them as a marketing tool.
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missimontana said:
I’ve heard of this problem. Honestly, I don’t believe the owners of these sites even want to control trolling. Just as bad news sells better, they want the publicity these trolls bring to the site. I have encountered people who love to read ugly comments by hateful people; they find it funny and entertaining. I think they are afraid of accusations of censorship if they crack down on trolls and fake accounts. There is a big difference between strong criticism or a strong opinion and abuse, but the people in power seem to lazy to learn to tell them apart. Of course, it doesn’t help when the trolls scream they are being persecuted for their “political views” every time they are shut down. Thanks for the article, Nicholas. The best we can do now is protect ourselves.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
“The best we can do now is protect ourselves”–isn’t that always the case? 🙂
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V.M.Sang said:
I really cannot understand the mentality of these trolls. I accept that they might get some kicks from it, but can’t get my head around it.
As to trolling someone like Charles because they don’t like what a fictional character did is just plain mad. It seems some people can’t distinguish reality from fiction. Sad.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
I’m hardly surprised that you can’t understand their mentality, as research suggests that trolls are sociopaths: https://nicholasrossis.me/2014/09/29/its-official-trolls-are-sociopaths/ ! Thanks for sharing 🙂
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Don Massenzio said:
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Check out this interesting post from Nicholas Rossis’ blog that asks: Does Goodreads Have a Troll Problem?
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Jaq said:
A lot of the fake reviews from 2012 are still there, while authors were kicked off the site for trying to combat the problem as best they could with zero site response. They finally pinged the uber-troll who was going through authors’ contacts lists to find new targets, though evidence suggests she was still having influence. I won’t touch Goodreads and certainly take their reviews with a grain of salt. Sorry to hear it’s still going on.
I was targetted by a stalker who had been approaching me under different names and slagging off unreleased projects for 6 years before the 2012 troll wars, but the group where they gathered just took her at her word when she lied and said I ‘outed’ her. All I did was find out who she was and let her know so she would quit stalking me.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Oh, wow! I’m so sorry to hear about all that. It appears it’s much more common than I’d realized 😦
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DebyFredericks said:
I heard about Cat Rambo’s father being impersonated. What a terrible thing. It makes me want to disable all reviews and comments on my own books.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
I know what you mean! Absolutely disgusting.
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dgkaye said:
Our frightening new world of cyber crime. 😦
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Indeed, it’s all part of the same trend 😦
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dgkaye said:
I see you changed your comment platform Nicholas. yay! 🙂 Easier to comment and receive notifications now. 🙂
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Yay! I’m so glad to see it now works for you 🙂
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dgkaye said:
Yes! 🙂
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wilfredbooks said:
This is so disappointing; I don’t use Goodreads, primarily because I don’t try to make my living by writing, so it would be another level of activity that I don’t want to spend time on, but the potential for creativity that the internet presents is contaminated by a vociferous minority for a variety of nefarious reasons. I feel sorry for all those people who can only every be negative. Cheers, Jon.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Well said, Jon! I know what you mean.
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aurorajeanalexander said:
I too was warned to use Goodreads and will stay away after what happened to an author I know. She’s been bullied and trolled so badly, she got death threats and ended up in the hospital. Several leaders of the trolls had been removed – but apparently, it’s not difficult to return under a different name and with a new account. Goodreads is a part of Amazon, but the support people working there are mostly volunteers, overworked and mostly not paid – they won’t help.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Jesus… When I hear stories like that, I get the urge to hide under my duvet and never come out again. Strewth!
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aurorajeanalexander said:
Stories really ARE bad.
I’d stay away from Goodreads. Until Amazon really clears out there and hires paid support, Goodreads isn’t a good place for a new author.
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Carol said:
Hi this isn’t quite true. The volunteer part of Goodreads is the librarians – we handle the book cataloging & stuff like that. We dont handle things like trolls, authors wanting ratings removed, plagiarism or the many, many bugs the site has.
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Nicholas C. Rossis said:
Many thanks for sharing your experience, Carol. I have nothing but good things to say about librarians. You are the only reason why Goodreads is still going.
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Carol said:
& I forgot. In the new Help area some of the responders are volunteers. But they mostly help with “how do I…” type questions
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kimwrtr said:
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